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Great catch, Arles and Ferenz...now only one...

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Thanks for the morning pics, ladies! I wonder if Roosevelt perches near the nestbox at night to be close to Freedom... :smile:

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Nice catch, ljames! Looks like Roosevelt had lunch near the nestbox...

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I'm not saying Freed & Rosey never eat pigeons, but I agree with Larry Cochren (webmaster of Soarin' Hawk) - I'd just as soon they didn't eat any pigeons - because of frounce.

This is a disease that has killed birds of prey, plus it was responsible for the death of "Sue" - a T-Rex, per the article from National Geographic:

Mighty T. Rex Killed by Pigeon Parasite?
Ker Than for National Geographic News
September 29, 2009

After surviving countless battles, a giant T. rex was ultimately taken down by a microscopic parasite akin to one carried by modern pigeons, scientists say.

The finding is a new interpretation of multiple holes in the jawbone of "Sue," the largest and most complete Tyrannosaurus rex fossil yet found, which is on display at the Field Museum in Chicago.

Initially researchers had said the holes are bite wounds made by other another T. rex. But most paleontologists now agree that the holes are too neat and smooth to have been caused by teeth scraping across bone.

In a new study, researchers instead propose that the holes are lesions made by an ancient version of trichomonosis, a single-celled parasite that infects the throats and beaks of modern birds.

Pigeons carry trichomonosis without suffering any symptoms. But the birds are common prey for falcons and other raptors, which then become infected and can also transmit the disease.

"There's a possibility that this disease is quite old," said study author Ewan Wolff, a paleontologist at the University of Wisconsin-Madison.

T. Rex Infection

Sue was discovered in 1990 in South Dakota. Although the dinosaur's sex is unknown, the fossil was nicknamed for the female fossil hunter who found the bones.

The 42-foot-long (12.8-meter-long), 7-ton dinosaur lived about 67 million years ago, during the late Cretaceous period.

In addition to the jawbone holes, the fossil shows evidence that Sue survived multiple fractured ribs, arthritis, and savage clashes with other dinosaurs to reach the ripe old age of 28.

How the huge dinosaur died, however, has been unclear. Despite Sue's multiple injuries, the animal seems to have lived with most of them for years.

In birds, trichomonosis causes inflammation in the beak and upper digestive tract, which makes feeding and even breathing very difficult.

Birds' bodies react by sealing off infected tissue, but over time byproducts from this immune response can damage bone, creating lesions.

Sue had about ten such lesions on her jaw, some of them large enough for a human adult to poke a finger through.

Based on the size and number of lesions, the team thinks Sue's disease was at an advanced stage and may have been so severe that the dinosaur starved to death.

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The researchers also found evidence of possible trichomonosis-like infections in two other tyrannosaurid species, Daspletosaurus and Albertosaurus.

Sue may have contracted the disease after having been bitten by another T. rex during a fight or by cannibalizing the infected bodies of other tyrannosaurids, Wolff said.

The finding adds a new twist to the evolutionary connection between dinosaurs and modern birds.

That's because parasites tend to evolve with their hosts, Wolff said. Since tyrannosaurids are among the dinosaurs thought to be avian ancestors, it wouldn't be surprising for the same parasite that infected tyrannosaurids to now infect birds.


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An artist's rendering shows how a Tyrannosaurus rex suffering from a parasitic infection similar to the modern avian disease trichomonosis might develop holes in its jawbone.

A new look at holes in jaw of the famous T. rex fossil "Sue" suggests the 42-foot-long (12.8-meter-long) predator was ultimately taken down by a parasite akin to trichomonosis, scientists said in September 2009.

Renderings by Chris Glen, University of Queensland, via University of Wisconsin-Madison


I know Freedom & Roosevelt's granddaughter Victory, who was Orville's first mate at Columbus, Ohio, definitely preferred flickers! Also, when Dave Scott and Donna Daniel came to the flight cage housing Victory and Nike, Dave noted an uneaten blue jay and remarked the falcons (Victory and Nike) probably know to avoid them because of West Nile Virus.

My backyard looks worse than the nest box at Ft. Wayne whenever I have tried putting out bird feeders!! My neighbors complain because they said I was "feeding the pigeons". I did have a Cooper's Hawk make a visit several times to my backyard, but that didn't thin out the flock much!


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Thanks for the info on frounce possibly killing dinosaurs, Juanita. Our local (Harrisburg) falcons do eat pigeons & I wish they wouldn't for the reason you stated. One of their youngsters died this past nesting season because the frounce had hit his little body so hard, & he got treatment fairly fast. :-(

I'm going to copy your post over to the Harrisburg forum since the people that read that forum are especially interested in this disease.

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The cam moved to this position for only a short time. I notice her crop isn't full.
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She is gorgeous!! :girlluv:

Frounce/ Trich is certainly a dangerous disease. I think younger falcons are more vulnerable? I don't remember to many grown falcons with it, but many juvies. And the parents are probably eating the same bird.....


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She is gorgeous!! :girlluv:

Frounce/ Trich is certainly a dangerous disease. I think younger falcons are more vulnerable? I don't remember to many grown falcons with it, but many juvies. And the parents are probably eating the same bird.....


You are right, Barb. From the research that has been done, it does affect the young ones, but not usually the adults (and for some reason, not all of the chicks). We (in the Harrisburg forum) did some research when Blue Boy was sick with it. It seems like when the chicks are very small, they are fed smaller birds, but as they get larger & have more of an appetite, the parents bring them pigeon to eat, & this is where the problems begin. Sure wish they could figure out how to eradicate this disease! :-(

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Thanks for the additional info Nancy.

From what I'm understanding it's suspected that with the regular medicating of racing pigeons, super resistant strains of Trichomonas began to develop in the late 1990's (pigeon breeders call it Crop Canker) and these strains cannot be controlled by current meds. The bird's immune system cannot shift as quickly as these organisms can evolve. The article I read said that these daily medicated racing pigeons come in constant contact with other pigeons.

I read this on the forum.Pigeonbasics.org site, posted Jan 2006,
"Since late 1990 super resistant strains of Trichomonas started appearing. These are the strains of Trichomonas found in some lofts that cannot be effectively be controlled by any product on the market today. Pigeons would be treated against Crop Canker with a previously effective product. After treatment the microscopic analysis would confirm that there was a marginal decrease in the Trichomonas count but within 7-10 days the count would rise again dramatically.
During 2002 Medpet became aware that these super resistant Trichomonas were increasing worldwide. Dr Botha and his team focused all their research on this extremely concerning problem. More than 15 different drugs and different drug dosages were used to try and eliminate these super resistant Trichomonas organisms. All of these failed. Invariably the organisms would appear again after 7-10 days. "


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Thanks for that additional research info, Mick. Its such a nasty disease. Blue Boy was actually successfully treated for trich, but his body was so run down by his encounter with it, that he never regained his strength... :-(

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Thank you for that information, Juanita and Mick....I had NO IDEA that scientists had suspected trich in the T-Rex population...and that the famous "Sue" probably succumbed to it...

somewhere along "my travels", I read somewhere (or maybe Froona told us), that adults never feed the head to their young because trich is concentrated in that area..(not that the falcons know that (?), but that's the theory)


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Mick wrote:
I will always remember Mom looking in that window...


Me too...we're going to have some new first time moms this season, and while that is exciting, I will certainly remember the matriarchs they replaced..so bitter sweet....


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Me too...we're going to have some new first time moms this season, and while that is exciting, I will certainly remember the matriarchs they replaced..so bitter sweet....


Me 3 & I'm trying to work up some enthusiasm for the new moms & not succeeding very well! (Except for Red, although she too replaced the resident female.)

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Thanks for the early morning pic, DEF! I believe I can see Roosevelt's head on the lower ledge, so maybe that's where he spent the night.

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