DE MORTEL 2012

skygirlblue · **Joined:** Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:18 pm **Posts:** 64757

First, Thanks so much for the video, Gerrit. . (.and this shows how far behind I am). . 2OR has been replaced? Am I understanding that correctly? (These birds need to wear name tags)

. . . and thanks, Alison, for the translation. I still cannot believe that S2 is gone.. :cryinggirl:

..I do hope that the taxidermist will be able to figure out a way to restore her to her (at least) physical beauty. Even in her death, she can still be a reminder to others of the senseless cruelty of some humans. . .as well as an Ambassador for this great species!! It was also very touching to read that if this is not possible, that her final resting place would be at the base of the home she loved and defended!!

Dutch Eagle Fan · **Posted:** Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:50 pm

2OR was the female that laid the eggs this spring. Remember the second egg arrived 6 days after the first? In that period there already was an intruder. Maybe even 2, a female ánd a male.
Third egg was laid on the 2nd of April. Then, on April 18 a final fight was fought and 2OR was seriously wounded, at least it looked like a bad injury to the crop and one leg. She disappeared, came back for a moment two days later but that was the last time anyone has seen her. I think she died of her injuries.
The new female was not on the same" page" as Pa (just like S2 in 2007) and therefore she never incubated the eggs. Pa kept incubating until the third of July !!! , that was when the second egg broke (looked empty, no embryo remains visible).
The last egg was removed later and was found not viable either. It's quite possible that all 3 eggs were not viable, due to extreme stress and constant intrusions early in the breeding process.

bev. · **Posted:** Sat Dec 01, 2012 10:32 pm

thank-you VWB GErmit, for the report.

we all understand your feelings as I feel the same. It was a kick in the gut , so to speak. but S2 will always be in my heart. We can accept what nature has in store but when Humans do stupid, .... things, I will never understand. It continues to happen, and I only hope that someday, when it comes back to bite them in the butt, they will get it.( by this , i am referring to the shooting)

It would be so great for S2 to be restored to her beauty but if not, I think it very fitting for her to be buried at the tower. Her spirit will soar forever. :sorrow:

skygirlblue · **Joined:** Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:18 pm **Posts:** 64757

DEF. .thanks for refreshing my memory (which isn't the best these days) . ..I do remember all of that. .but somehow in my mind I didn't remember that it was 2OR during that time period. .somehow I had her coming in AFTER the final egg was removed. . I don't know what I was thinking. . :girlcrazy:

So, does this current female have a name so that I can change it on the forum?

Dutch Eagle Fan · **Posted:** Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:43 am

Well, on my forum we started with VV (Vreemd Vrouwtje - Unknown Female) and that changed to Vievie. She is not banded, so we can't use band codes as we did with S2.

ljames · **Posted:** Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:01 pm

Oh lord, that last report was hard to read. I hope that they bring S2 home. :sorrow:

SuzanneH · **Posted:** Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:42 pm

Dutch Eagle Fan wrote:

Well, on my forum we started with VV (Vreemd Vrouwtje - Unknown Female) and that changed to Vievie. She is not banded, so we can't use band codes as we did with S2.

Some forums are calling her "Miep" (rhymes with beep). Some are calling her Vievie (sounds like Veevee or VV which stands for Vreemde Vrouw or Strange or New Woman).

IMHO I don't like Miep (sounds like the roadrunner MEEP MEEP haha) and prefer Vievie.

SuzanneH · **Posted:** Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:44 pm

Sorry but I abhor the idea of S2 being stuffed and put on display. I think a beautiful photo and video display could be made and her remains spread around The Mortel.

Ase · **Posted:** Sun Dec 02, 2012 4:12 pm

Quote:

In view of the serious damage to her body caused by maggots, it is not possible for her to be set up in her entirety. We now have the possibility to see whether we could still allow her preparation in an appropriate manner, with deep respect for the bird and in a way which would be particularly aesthetically pleasing.

This is a contradiction. Splitting a falcon in two is not aesthetical, and certainly not ethical.

I totally agree with you, Suzanne.

IMHO too this incredible falcon should not be split into parts. A half-S2, I can't bear the thought of it! That is S2, and every creature for that matter, unworthy.

I hope she will be burried in one part, at an undisclosed location close to the tower in De Mortel. Or that she will be cremated and her ashes scatterred. That is the respect she deserves.

The numerous existing videos and photos of S2, in addition to her story, should be enough to get the message to convey and for her memory to live on.
:sorrow:

Dutch Eagle Fan · **Posted:** Sun Dec 02, 2012 4:43 pm

I don't like the idea to stuff the remains of S2 and put it somewhere on display either. They could put up some info-board with a nice picture of her near the tower if they want.
And yes, lay her body to rest ON the tower, the Queen coming home. Give her back to Mother Nature. Maybe we should write to the VWG and express what we feel and what we would like to happen.

I don't like the name "Miep" either, I find it a little derogatory. I know I will stick to "Vievie" and really hope she stays with Pa. And please no intruders . . . :sigh

gigi · **Posted:** Sun Dec 02, 2012 5:18 pm

I am with you DEF. I would like to see S2 laid to rest at the base of the tower.

I do use a preserved peregrine when I give educational talks, but it is one that I have no attachment to.

bev. · **Posted:** Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:43 pm

I also would rather see S2 just laid to rest around deMortel. I must have not read everything properly.

2OR may still be alive , and just went elsewhere. I am hoping this as I did like her. She was quite the gal.

skygirlblue · **Joined:** Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:18 pm **Posts:** 64757

LOL, Suzanne. . Miep does make me think of the roadrunner .. so Vievie it is. .at least here. .

Splitting S2 in two? I totally missed that part and would NEVER support something as horrible as that. . I used to totally be against taxidermy until I attended a wildlife exhibition. They had a memorial to a barn owl who had served as an ambassador and educational bird for many, many years. It was very touching!! I am sure that whatever is decided, it will be done with respect and reverence!!

ljames · **Posted:** Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:50 pm

S2 was a well known and well loved beautiful creature and to stuff her and place her on display takes away her dignity. She should be burried at the tower or her ashes strewn from the tower. How do we write to the people making this decision that shouldn't even be a question?? I'm not trying to be disrespectful to anybody, I just really believe that placing S2 on display would be disrespectful.

SuzanneH · **Posted:** Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:24 am

You can send an e-mail via their website.

http://www.vwggemertslechtvalk.nl/werkg ... ortel.html

Vul uw naam in -- Fill in your name

E-mailadres -- hmmm guess what that is LOL

Onderwerp bericht - Subject of your message

Vul uw bericht in: Write your message

Click on "verstuur" to send

ljames · **Posted:** Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:06 pm

Thank you so much SuzanneH. I have sent my request to bring S2 back to the tower.

Gerrit (E.) · **Posted:** Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:56 pm

Gerrit (E.) · **Posted:** Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:29 pm

Slechtvalk = viev en de laatste een buizerd.

bev. · **Posted:** Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:32 pm

Thanks-you Gerrit

skygirlblue · **Joined:** Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:18 pm **Posts:** 64757

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