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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 12:09 am 
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Yvonne posted this on the BCAW Facebook page.

Removing the last egg from the box.




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Sad, but necessary.... I just pray that Pa doesn't bond with another female until S2 gets there. I would also love it if they would put the live feed back on when she is released. I have to hope that she will not forget her home at the tower.


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The moving black clouds in the sky as the egg was removed seemed very apt - a sad dark day for this nest, but hopefully things will improve once S2 is fit and released, with as little bloodshed as possible if there is a territory battle.


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I am with you Lorgayle. No bonding until S2 returns! Has anyone heard when S2 might be released?

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Gigi, the most recent news is included in the first post on page 42, by DEF. They are hoping for August or September... :thumbup


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That isn't too far away. Hold on Pa!

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I thought cam was off. what are people watching. I have followed all year and then it went off

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Hi Bev. . .you can view the refresh cams here:





or a ground mounted streaming cam here (click FroonaCam):



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Here's one that I have too, although I wish that we had streaming to be on the lookout for S2.



http://www.vwggemertslechtvalk.nl/


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Thanks SGB and ljames for the links :)


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There is an update about S2 on
http://www.vwggemertslechtvalk.nl/nieuw ... roces.html
I hope that some one can translate it!

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This GOOGLE translation is not great, but the price is right.
S2 in the final phase of its rehabilitation process. Gemert, Sunday, July 8, 2012

In recent months, S2 in peace can still recover and moult her feathers which in part is again renewed. We are still waiting to moult all over and then she goes to the falconer for the last phase of her rehabilitation process. This will back the falcon 'in condition' be charged. For birds of prey to catch their prey is essential. For seed eaters or scavengers such as a hawk is in rehabilitation in this final stage usually suffice greater uitwenvolière which they called for their kind sufficient condition can build up again independent of food to arrive. But species such as goshawk, sparrowhawk and peregrine for their rehabilitation forced longer time spent in captivity is an aviary, how large, therefore, insufficient to be able to come back condition. They must be in top condition for their prey to get. It just releasing these birds almost certainly lead to starvation and is therefore irresponsible.

The only method to such birds are in condition to bring falconry method is called. Falconers hunt because such birds in top condition for this to be a prey to arrive. The techniques they use for that are centuries old.

The first step is to tame a bird or 'sea' it. The falconer must gain the confidence of the falcon. Although today their falconers birds they were breeding earlier by falconers from the wild-caught seafood and had therefore to be made. In a period of several weeks 'carries' the bird or the falconer very intensive which the bird is fed by the falconer. After some time, overcomes the bird's natural aversion, and then realizes that for which the food is dependent on the falconer. That is the moment to the falcon acquainted with the lure, an artificial prey to a line can be rotated and a piece of bait that can be confirmed. Every time the hawk lurking these 'stores' is rewarded with bait. Initially done inside and the falcon itself still leashed, but once there is sufficient confidence with the falconer and getting used to wait outside the falcon is built may be left loose. From that moment the falcon daily lurking fly. And since then they end up getting rewarded they will be more motivated to that address. From that moment the condition of the bird leaps forward. Then comes the skill of the falconer in handy. That must wait a falcon ever faster growing faster. The trick is to wait for the falcon as flat as possible by turning it up so motivated to maximize effort. A peregrine once on condition that goes with enormous speed and requires very good timing of the falconer.

As soon as the falcon in this way is placed on the condition, it will again be able to independently to capture prey, and the falcon can be released. Once the hawk has caught its first prey and devours it will no longer have the incentive to the falconer to come or wait to save her because she has food inside. That was the great fear of the former falconers with wild-caught falcons hunted. Once beyond their sight a prey would hit and went to eat is indeed no longer dependent on the falconer and will not be to him or to wait. The falconer must then hope that the next day there was again that stimulus and then try to get the bird back. Saves the falcon but for a second time out of his sight a prey very quickly, the likelihood is smaller that the falconer's bird ever again can capture. The bird quickly realizes that he can catch prey on her own and no longer dependent on the falconer. The bird is then in a few days time completely bewildered.

S2 will undergo training in the coming time above. An additional exciting moment for me is when they first go outside will be flown to the lure. At that time we will really know if her wing has been restored so that they can fly again good or unexpected that those irreparably damaged.

We will keep you informed. VWG Gemert


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Gemert, Sunday July 8 2012

In the past months S2 has had time to recuperate and go into her moult in which a part of her feathers are all new. We are waiting until her moulting is done and then S2 will go to the falconer for the last phase of her recuperation. Here she will be brought back into condition. For birds of prey who have to catch their prey is this essential. For seed-eaters or scavengers i.e. a buzzard can their recuperation period take place in a large area where they can build themselves up to be independent again. But for a hawk or peregrine falcon who has had to spend a long amount of time in an enclosed area is a larger area not good enough to come back into good enough condition. They need to be in top condition to catch and kill their prey. To simply just let one of these birds back into the wild would be irresponsible.

The only method to bring these birds of prey back into condition is the so-called falconer method. Falconers hunt with similar birds that need to be in top condition to catch their prey. The techniques they use are centuries old.

The first step is to tame the bird. The falconer needs to gain the trust of the bird. Most falconers now raise their own birds but in the past falconers used birds caught in the nature and needed to be tamed. In a period of several weeks the falconer then "draagt" (carries..?) the bird and the bird is fed by the falconer. Over time the bird overcomes his timidness and realizes that if he wants to eat he has to come to depend on the falconer. Then it is time for the falcon to become acquainted with a lure, a fake prey on a rope that can be swung around. The fake prey has a piece of bait on it and if the falcon "attacks" the lure he is then awarded with another piece of bait. This happens inside and the falcon is also on a leash. As soon as there is enough trust between falcon, falconer and the lure then is the falcon let loose outside. From that moment the falcon will further be lured and with each "catch" is the falcon awarded with more bait increasing the motivation to catch this fake prey. From that moment the condition of the falcon will increase dramatically. Then comes the skill of the falconer into play. The lure must become faster and faster as the falcon becomes faster and faster. The art is to place the lure as near to the falcon as possible making the falcon more motivated and making the "hunts" more strenuous. With a peregrine falcon who needs to be brought into condition for its topspeeds the falconer needs to have excellent timing.

After the falcon is brought up into condition she is ready to catch her own prey and be let loose. After the falcon has caught her own prey and disposed of it will she lose her dependency on the falconer and his lure. She has eaten her own catch. This was a great fear of earlier falconers that hunted with falcons that were caught in the wild. As soon as the falcon is outside his sight and has caught a prey and eaten it is the falcon no longer dependent on the falconer and the lure and doesn't come back. The falconer then hopes that the desire is back the next day and will try to get the falcon back. If the falcon for a second time outside of his vision catches a prey then is the chance smaller that he can catch the falcon again. The bird realizes very quickly that that she can catch her own prey and no longer needs the falconer. The bird is in a few days fully "wild" again.

In the coming time S2 will begin her training. The exciting moment will be when she is let loose outside to "hunt" the lure. At that moment will we know if her wing is fully recovered so that she can fly again or if the damage was permanent.

We will keep you informed.

VWG Gemert


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okay...... who is with Pa in the box?

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Oh dear. There was a period where I did not receive updates on this nest and I missed that totally. Thanks for filling me in Coriena.

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