Bird Cams Around the World

Hello everyone,,,,

I'm new here, though I'm a seasoned Osprey Watcher of many years,,,, I've read all your posts,, and have to agree with you about little Koo,, I too think her leg was broken by the ham fisted ringer,,, though I can't understand why he would handle a bird like he did,, I've watched all kinds of Raptors for nearly 30 years,, though I've never seen a bird handled like that awful man before,,,

Hi Loretta petal,,,,,

Thanks for giving me this site,,,,,

As you can see I know, as you call her natr, nut,,, is a friend of mine, though I live in the UK, and she in the U.S.A.,,,

I've got my two nest that I watch every years in Scotland,, and it's been a joy once more this year,, though not without their problems too,,,, though now they are all back to doing what come nautally and will soon be on their way to Africa,, sad in a way and not in others,,,

I'm also Giant Panda mad too,,, and have the most wonderful news of a new Panda birth at San Diego Zoo,,

So all in all things are fine,,, I dare not tell you what I've done as far as trying to get help for little Koo,,, you just might think I'm totally mad,,

Lovely to chat to you
Speak soon
Chrissy

Hi all,,,

Thank you so much for your lovely welcome,,,,

I'm rather confused though,,,, I've posted several times and can only see my original first post ????Most odd,,,,,,,


I can't remember now what I had put in them now,,,, I said hello to Loretta [nature Nut] she and I are friends though she is in U.S.A. and I'm here in tht U.K.

I had a long chat to Jazzel, chatting about our other two nests in Scotland and about the fun and games going on there,,,, but where they have gone I just don't know,,,,

right,, it's off to do some chores,, speak later on,,

Chrissy
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Hi Beth pet,,,

If your there,, can you tell me the Panda site your talking about please and give me the details,,,,

Also I've tried to add a picture under my name,, I can't seem to do it,, can you help please,,,,,

I'm such a novice at useing the computer,, and computer speak just confuses the dickens out of me,,,

Thanks

Chrissy
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Hi Beth pet,,,

Thank you for the Panda blog page,,, I just hope I get the time to join in now,,,,,,,,

I hope I know how to access a "PM" pet,,,, told you I was a novice,,,,,

Speak later on,,,

Chrissy
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Chrissy, PM stands for personal message. If you look at the top of the page, you'll see a link that shows you how many personal messages you have. Yours will probably say "1 new messages". Just click on that link, & you'll be taken to a list of your messages. Click the message that you want to read.

Your original post is on the same page as your later ones--just scroll up the page to see it!

Hi Nancy pet,,

Thanks so much will do pet,,,,,

Right,, I've got a reply from,at last a proper scientist,, I'll post it below for all to read,,,,,,,


Dear friends of ospreys,


I'm working as a senior advisor and head of the biodiversity group in North
Ostrobothnia regional Environment Centre (NOREC). Our centre is the legal
regional authority concerning bird protection under Finnish Nature Conservation
Act.

We have lately received several emails concerning the injured young osprey in
Hailuoto webcam nest. We have been asked to save the bird, take it to the bird
hospital/zoo, or even to euthanize it. It has been fine to see, how much people
around the world really do care about the birds.

However, so far our opinion has been that the best we can do is to leave the
young osprey alone. That does not mean we wouldn't care about the welfare of the
b
ird; as any friend of the nature, we feel sorry for him too.

I have emailed and discussed with several experts about the osprey;
ornithologists, osprey researchers and veterinarian who is expert in wild
animals (in Helsinki Zoo, which is the leading organization what comes to the
care of the injured wild animals in Finland).
All the experts do have the same opinion: right now the best thing we can do is
to do nothing. The osprey really gets the best care it can ever have.

There is no bird hospital in Finland which could take good care of the ospreys:
they don't do well in captivity, even there might be some single positive
examples. The policy in wildlife care in Helsinki Zoo is that an animal is been
taken to the zoo only if it can be cured and returned to the nature or if there
can be found a zoo or another place which meets the specific requirements of the
species.
Otherwise the animal is euthanised, which is of course the most merciful thing
to do in that kind of situation. But as said, for ospreys there are not suitable
places in Finland, so the only alternative in this case would be euthanasia. The
injured leg cannot be healed either.

And even if we think the zoo or similar place could be a fine solution, it might
not be so from the bird's point of view. It is not easy for the wild animals to
get used to captivity, they are easily stressed. For example it has been=2
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researched that stress hormone levels of the captivated birds are often high for
a long time, indicating hard life. We also think dying of hunger would be
terrible, but actually it is not painful at all, just fading away. And the truth
is, animals don't think and feel like we humans do.

There is also the question when we should intervene: if the bird would really
suffer and be in pain, then we should react even according to the Nature
Conservation Act. So far the chick is doing well in nest, eating (salmon today)
and wingercising. Normal risk of being predated does not give us the right to
take the wild animal from nest into stressful captivity.
In general, predation, diseases and accidents are a normal life in the nature,
and reacting to one single case does not change the fact there are thousands of
other similar, even worse cases. This is the problem of webcams, they show life
as it is. As ecologists we should understand that this is how the nature works.
In this nest there is already two young birds flying, which is actually a good
situation.

The future of the young osprey is still open: we do not yet know, if it is able
to fly and leave the nest, perhaps not, but let us give the chick a chance. In
NOREC we will follow the situation and if it seems the chick will not survive,
we'll re-consider our actions.

But for now, we will let the young osprey live free life20worth wild osprey.

Sincerely Yours,

Tupuna Kovanen
Pohjois-Pohjanmaan ympäristökeskus/North Ostrobothnia Regional Environment
Centre
ylitarkastaja, monimuotoisuusryhmän päällikkö/Senior Advisor, head of the
biodiversity group
gsm: +358-40-7244 756


Chrissy
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Hi Loretta pet,,,

I didn't think I would be able to either you know,,,, BUT I took a chance and it worked,,,,

I suppose we will all have to just accecpt what this gentleman says,, perhaps we are putting our human emoutions onto a bird,, thinking that darling Koo will think the same as we do,,HOW does anyone know how an animal feels,, it's just impossible to know,,,, EVEN for a scientist,, isn't it pet,,,,

Roght all,,,, I'm going for dinner now,, I'll come back tomorrow if I can and have the time,,,,

Take care all,, have a wonderful weekend,,,,

Chrissy
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Welcome to the forum, Chrissy! Thanks so much for taking action you did and then posting the response.

Like Catwoman and others here, I'm hoping that Koo will be able to fledge and enjoy a successful life as an osprey in the wild despite her injured leg. I've always been amazed at how many animals and birds have managed to find ways to compensate for injuries . . . my fervent wish is that Koo is one of them.

I should have to go! - and a bad arriving.