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 Post subject: Re: WILMINGTON ~ JULY 2011
PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 9:21 pm 
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Thinking about that video. Wasn't that 2010 when that happened? When Red Girl was left alone with the eggs? Then CJ showed up later on towards the end of 2010. I just checked my book and I have Caesar disappearing on April 26th 2010.

But now I'm thinking the eggs aren't in the nest when that fight took place. ?????

Kim , what is the date of that video?

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 Post subject: Re: WILMINGTON ~ JULY 2011
PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 9:58 pm 
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GREG, THANKS FOR THE INFO, MAKES ME FEEL MUCH BETTER!

KIM, THANKS FOR THE WP PIC, I LOVE THEM! GREAT SHOT!

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Faith, the fight was in the beginning of March last year and there weren't any eggs yet.


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 Post subject: Re: WILMINGTON ~ JULY 2011
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BOY, KIM WAS DOWNTOWN EARLY TODAY!

4:47 SHE HEARD A KID CALLING AND IT SOUNDED LIKE HE WAS FLYING ALREADY!

4:49 3 FALCONS ON BW BLDG.

5:01 REALLY WEIRD, DEAD SILENCE SINCE SHE FIRST GOT THERE AND HEARD THE ONE KID.

5:04 SOMEONE JUST FLEW, SO DID ANOTHER THAT SHE MISSED. SHE HAS NO IDEA WHERE THEY WENT.

5:11 FALCON ON BW STILL THERE LOOKS LIKE CJ.

5:16 GOING TO LOOK ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BLDG. NOPE, NOTHING THERE.

5:24 CJ JUST TOOK OFF AFTER SOMETHING.

5:26 SOMEONE PERCHED ON HERCULES BLDG, LOOKS LIKE RG.

5:33 JUST HEARD A KID, HE'S ON THE BACK OF WT BLDG.

5:35 KID HAS FOOD, HE'S ATTACKING IT

5:39 KID JUST FLEW OVER KIM, IT WAS RB.

5:57 MAYBE HE'S HEADED TO THE BEACH. SHE JUST WALKED OVER THAT WAY AND DIDN'T HEAR OR SEE ANYTHING, HEADED OUT NOW.

6:02 CJ ON BW BLDG.

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 Post subject: Re: WILMINGTON ~ JULY 2011
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First ,Thanks for the relay Reenie and Kim, getting UP with the Bird's this morning.
Great detailed report.

Also thanks for the answer Kim on the date. I did read that, but somehow My tired brain was confused and I thought you meant this March just past. I shouldn't post after a certain hour!!! LOL It's all very clear to me now, but still don't know about if it was CJ or not. Did notice the white band also.

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 Post subject: Re: WILMINGTON ~ JULY 2011
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Kim, I remember that fight, & I believe we never figured out who it was. I would be very surprised if CJ would have fought Caesar, since falcons are supposed to recognize their parents. Unfortunately, I didn't hear how long that is to go on, whether its just when they're juvies or whether they would recognize them as adults. It is one of the many questions concerning falcons that I'd love to find out! From info I've heard from other people who observe falcons, & stories about a son taking over from his father without a territorial dispute, I'm inclined to think they do know them as adults. (Don't know whether the father recognizes the son, though.)


I agree that we didn't identify the intruder at the time of the fight. After the fight in the box the two males sailed around in the air for a long time with Red Girl. When she finally joined the smaller male on a ledge, the larger male drifted off.

CJ is a big tiercel, bigger than at least one of his boys and, judging by tail feather length, bigger than Caesar was too. Looking at the faces of the fighters in the box, one could be CJ, but I get confused as to which is which because the camera doesn't always show who is larger.

I saw CJ chase off a smaller male intruder earlier in the year, just before eggs if I remember correctly. Red Girl was watching from the box ledge but had to get up and follow CJ chasing the intruder toward New Jersey. Too exciting to miss.


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Good grief, Kim....4:47 am? :shock What a dedicated Auntie you are... :thanku :bow :rainbow ...I too remember that fight in the box....so glad no one was hurt!!!

Love the WP picture, now I'd like for that cutie to be removed from the menu, RG and Cj...


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PLEASE NOTE: This is from March 2010, not today! :)
Is it possible the bird on the right is CJ? He has a black over green band on the left leg and he looks pretty big.
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RB was in the nestbox not too long ago and was checking out the scrape:
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RG from earlier:
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CJ from this morning:
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He does look big. Both tiercels, like CJ now, look like they have less white on the cheek (behind the malar bar) than Red Girl does.


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 Post subject: Re: WILMINGTON ~ JULY 2011
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Kim Steininger wrote:
Is it possible the bird on the right is CJ? He has a black over green band on the left leg and he looks pretty big. (This is from March 2010, not today!)
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OK....you just scared the beejeebers outta me...that will teach me to READ first!!! :hahah


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I edited my post so hopefully I won't be scaring anyone else. :)


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Sorry to bring up old discussion from several days ago, but I have been away without Internet access and have just caught up with posts here and at Harrisburg forum. I was interested to read the information posted by Mwplay regarding the possibility of the girls being able to hunt for themselves. That was a big concern of mine since they had no one to teach them and we have observed other juvies being helped out with hunting still at this stage of their development. This gives me some hope that they are well and will be okay. It still doesn't make me happy about what occurred here, but it makes it easier to deal with having read this.

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Kim Steininger wrote:
I edited my post so hopefully I won't be scaring anyone else. :)


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 Post subject: Re: WILMINGTON ~ JULY 2011
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Kim looking at that picture of the fight and the one you captured today, both have the same Green over black on that left leg. With that said that could have been CJ in the fight. I know that Green over Black is the Federal Band, but it sure looks like him. The time line would be right too, as I said before, that Caesar disappeared April 26th.

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You can't really go by that band though because any birds banded in this area have the same black over green band on their left leg. Even RG! Here's some banding information I posted on my blog: http://wilmfalcons.com/blog/?p=792


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Thanks Kim, I read your blog. I did know that , but was hopeful for a solution to the mystery. We may never know for sure. Darn.

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Pardon my ignorance, but have I missed something here? I knew about that battle in the nestbox from last March, and remember watching it before. Although I knew falcons had territorial battles, I'd never seen such a thing before. Am wondering why this topic has come up for discussion?? Not sure how long it takes juvies to become independent from their parents. Our little guy in Harrisburg is still hanging around, but not sure if he's able to hunt yet or not. From my observations the last several times I was downtown, the adults don't seem to be overly concerned with his whereabouts, giving me the impression he may be hunting on his own. I've been observing this for well over a week. I would assume that the juvies in Wilmington may be independent, too. There's about a week in age difference if I am correct. Perhaps WB is out on his own. Hope that's the case.


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Jane, no particular reason that I brought it up other than I was curious as to whether it might have been CJ in the fight!

I slept in this morning so I didn't get into town before the birds left their night time "roost". I saw one bird on the roof of the Brandywine Building who turned out to be RG who went after a Great Blue Heron!!!


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Well Kim, I think you need to sleep in once in a while with the hours you've been keeping. At least you saw RG and a Great Blue Heron. So beautiful too, but not in Her space!
A Hot couple of days here. Maybe they will lay low, on some of those sheltered ledges.

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