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Onduidelijkheden rondom herstel slechtvalk S2


Gemert, dinsdag 09 oktober 2012

Wij signaleren dat er wat onduidelijkheden zijn omtrent het herstel en terugkeer in de vrije natuur van slechtvalk S2. Daarom lijkt het ons goed om u nader te informeren en onze besluitvorming toe te lichten. Het gaat overigens nog steeds erg goed met haar!

Slechtvalk S2 is eind juli 2011 zwaar gewond bij ons binnengebracht en gezien haar verwondingen hadden wij toen de keus kunnen maken om haar direct te euthanaseren. Dit hebben wij i.om. de dierenartsen niet gedaan. Wij hebben gezamenlijk besloten om slechtvalk S2 te gaan behandelen omdat er een reële kans aanwezig was dat ze ondanks de complexe breuken mogelijk volledig kon herstellen.Na een succesvolle operatie, voor zover bekend is zo’n complexe breuk nooit eerder behandeld, hadden wij de hoop haar begin 2012 weer los te kunnen laten.
I.o.m. deskundigen waaronder dierenartsen, valkeniers, werkgroep slechtvalk Nederland en onze eigen expertise hebben wij besloten om haar na het broedseizoen 2012 voor te bereiden op haar terugkeer in de vrije natuur, dit om reeds bekende redenen. Gedurende deze periode is zij bij een valkenier annex asielhouder ondergebracht geweest alwaar zij in alle rust kon herstellen. Enkele weken geleden is zij vanuit hier overgebracht naar een gespecialiseerde valkenier die haar daadwerkelijk gaat trainen voor een goede conditieopbouw zodat zij kan overleven in de vrije natuur. Gelukkig vertoont slechtvalk S2 natuurlijk gedrag en is zij opstandig geworden, dit is een bekend verschijnsel binnen de eeuwenoude valkerij. Deze gedragingen kunnen wij natuurlijk negeren en haar zonder enige training en conditieopbouw loslaten zodat zij onherroepelijk binnen enkele dagen middels de hongerdood zal sterven omdat zij dan nog geen prooien zelfstandig kan bemachtigen. Al deze onvoorspelbare processen in het herstel en terugkeer van slechtvalk S2 in de vrije natuur kunnen en konden wij niet voorspellen en daarom moeten wij in het belang van slechtvalk S2 constant onze beslissingen en keuzes aanpassen. Maar bovenal staat het welzijn van slechtvalk S2 bij ons en alle deskundigen altijd voorop.

Wij begrijpen de teleurstelling dat het allemaal wat langer duurt voordat zij haar vrijheid terugkrijgt maar dat alle handelingen en beslissingen in het belang van slechtvalk S2 zijn. Wij betreuren het dat er op een forum twijfels zijn ontstaan omtrent de deskundigheid en tomeloze inzet van de asielhouder(s), valkeniers, werkgroep slechtvalk Nederland, VWG Gemert en vele vrijwilligers en donateurs die zich belangeloos inzetten voor het herstel van slechtvalk S2. Wij nodigen hun dan ook uit om al onze berichtgevingen goed te lezen zodat u geen suggestieve berichtgevingen meer hoeft te plaatsen. Daarnaast kunnen wij ogenschijnlijk nog veel van u leren en verzoeken u dan ook om uw “deskundigheid” met ons te delen.

Wij gaan echter nog steeds van het positieve uit en geloven er nog steeds in dat slechtvalk S2 spoedig vrijkomt! Dit is overigens geen garantie dat ondanks alle inspanningen slechtvalk S2 nog een broedsel zal gaan grootbrengen en misschien zal sneuvelen in toekomstige natuurlijke processen.Wij waarderen in ieder geval de inzet van de vele vrijwilligers, donateurs en professionals die zich belangeloos inzetten voor de bescherming van de slechtvalken en slechtvalk S2 in het bijzonder.

Na haar vrijlating gaan wij een weekje op vakantie zonder internet en bereidden we ons voor op het seizoen 2013 met hopelijk slechtvalk S2 in de hoofdrol.

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"Soms kun je maar beter zwijgen…….."
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 Post subject: Re: DE MORTEL 2012
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this is the best I could do in translator

Gemert, Tuesday, October 9, 2012

We point out that there are some uncertainties regarding the recovery and return to the wild of peregrine S2. Therefore it seems good to you with more information and to explain our decision. It is however still very good with her!

Peregrine S2 is seriously injured in late July 2011 brought us and given her injuries when we had to make the choice to euthanize her immediately. This we i.om. the vets did not. We have jointly decided to peregrine S2 to treat because there is a real chance that she was present despite the complex fractures could be completely herstellen.Na a successful operation, as far as is known about complex fracture never treated, we had the hope its early 2012 release to let.
I.o.m. experts, including veterinarians, falconers, peregrine workgroup Netherlands and our own expertise, we decided to her after the breeding season in 2012 to prepare for her return to the wild, this for reasons already known. During this period she a falconer cum asylum holder has been placed where they could recover in peace. A few weeks ago she moved from here to a specialized falconer that its actually going to train for a good condition building so they can survive in the wild. Fortunately exhibits peregrine S2 behavior and she became rebellious, this is a common phenomenon in the ancient falconry. These behaviors can we ignore its course without any training and fitness development release so they irrevocably within days through the starvation will die because they still do not get prey independently. All these unpredictable processes in the recovery and return of peregrine S2 in nature can and we could not predict and we must therefore in the interest of peregrine S2 constantly adjust our decisions and choices. But above the welfare of peregrine S2 with us and all the experts always comes first.

We understand the disappointment that it all takes a little longer before she regains her freedom but that all actions and decisions in the interests of peregrine S2. We regret that there is a forum doubts have arisen about the expertise and tireless efforts of the asylum holder (s), falconers, peregrine workgroup Netherlands, VWG Gemert and many volunteers and donors who are active for the recovery of peregrine S2. We therefore invite them out to all our notifications good read so you no longer need to place suggestive notifications. We can apparently still much to learn from you and ask you for your "expertise" to share with us.

We are still of the positive and believe still that peregrine S2 released soon! This is not a guarantee that despite all efforts peregrine S2 another brood will raise and maybe die in future natural processen.Wij appreciate at least the efforts of the many volunteers, donors and professionals who are active for the protection of peregrine falcons and peregrine S2 in particular.

After her release a week we go on vacation without internet and we prepared ourselves for the year 2013, hopefully with peregrine S2 in the lead.

George Orwell wrote: "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

"Sometimes it's better to remain silent ........"
Martin Finch

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I hope people do not continue to be critical of throe in charge. I am happy with their decisions thus far. Maybe becasue I know how falconer work. they are being very cautious , which is good. It they had continued S2 may have had no chance. They did the right thing to stop for a bit.

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My version of today's update:

Uncertainties surrounding the rehabilitation of the peregrine S2

Gemert, Tuesday, October 9, 2012


We would like to point out that there are some uncertainties regarding the rehabilitation and the return to the wild of the peregrine S2. Therefore, it seems like a good idea to provide you with more information, and to explain our decision. However, things are still going very well for her!

When the peregrine S2 was seriously injured in late July of 2011, she was brought to us, and in view of her injuries, we had to make the decision whether to euthanize her immediately. The veterinarians decided not to do so. Together we decided to begin treating the peregrine S2 because there was a realistic chance that, despite the complex fractures, she might well be able to make a complete recovery. After successful surgery, to the extent of what is known about this unprecedented treatment of complex fractures, we had hopes that we would be able to release her in early 2012. In the opinion of experts, including veterinarians, falconers, the Netherlands peregrine workgroup and our own expertise, we decided to prepare for her return to the wild after the 2012 breeding season, for reasons which are already well known. During this period, she was housed in a raptor rehabilitation facility where she could recover in peace and quiet. A few weeks ago, she was transferred from there to a specialized falconer who will provide training to bring her into good condition so that she will be able to survive in the wild. Thankfully, the peregrine S2 is displaying normal peregrine behavior and she has become rebellious; this is a well known phenomenon historically in falconry. If we were to disregard this behavior and release her without any training and fitness development, it is inevitable that within days she would die of starvation, because she would not yet be able to obtain prey for herself. All of these unpredictable processes in the recovery and return to the wild of the peregrine S2 cannot be foreseen, and we must therefore constantly consider and adjust our decisions and options with the interests of the peregrine S2 in mind. But above all, the wellbeing of the peregrine S2 always comes first with us and with all the experts.

We do understand the disappointment that everything will take a little longer before she regains her freedom, but all actions and decisions are being made in the best interests of the peregrine S2. We regret that doubts have been raised on a forum about the expertise and boundless dedication of the rehabilitation center caregivers, falconers, the Netherlands peregrine workgroup, VWG Gemert and numerous volunteers and donors who are involved in the recovery of the peregrine S2. We therefore invite all of them to read all the information we provide carefully so that they will no longer need to post provocative information. Apparently we still have much to learn from you, and we ask you to share your "expertise" with us.

We are still thinking positively and still believe that the peregrine S2 will be released soon! Incidentally, this is not a guarantee, despite all best efforts, that the peregrine S2 will raise another clutch of chicks and that she will not perhaps die in the future from natural causes. In any case, we appreciate the efforts of the many volunteers, donors and professionals who are active for the protection of peregrine falcons and of the peregrine S2 in particular.

After her release, we will go on vacation for a week with no Internet, and we will prepare ourselves for the year 2013, hopefully with the peregrine S2 in the forefront.

George Orwell wrote: "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."

"Sometimes it's better to remain silent ........"

Martin Vink

VWG Gemert


I don't know who, or which forum, has been questioning the decisions made about S2's care. Personally, I think she has been given the very best of care, and that she has always been treated with gentleness and with the greatest consideration. I appreciate all the thought that has gone into doing the very best for her at each stage of her recovery. If her release takes a little longer, I don't think that is a problem; the end result is what is important.


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thanks Allison , for doing a better translation htan me. I did the best I could, but understood what they were saying.

they have done an outstanding job. I think I mentioned that earlier.

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Thanks for the translation, Alison. . I for one do not want them to release her until she is ready. Secretly, I'd love to know how she is being rebellious!! This could be a good thing and work in her favor after she is released!! Maybe part of her rebelliousness is her "stubborness" and her "wildness". I think the fact that she has come this far speaks to her strength and determination!! But, I do hope she settles down and turns into a good student so that they CAN release her!!!


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Thanks for the translation, Alison.
I did not have the energy last night.
Moreover, you do it much better.


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I agree with all of you that the people that have been making the decisions for S2's care have been doing a wonderful job & I'm very disappointed to hear that some people are being critical of these people. I also am glad that they aren't going to rush her release. She needs to be in top shape because she will undoubtedly have to battle to get her nest back.

Thanks for the translation, Alison!

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I have never seen any criticism about S2's care. Which Forum is criticizing the caregivers? Where is the source of this information? Until we see it, it is just a rumor flying across the Internet, put out there just to get everyone stirred up.


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I guess you can not read everything, Elaine. Sometimes you have to register to be able to read certain information.


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I wouldn't give it any more thought. There is a lot of animosity between VWG and the owners of this particular forum.

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I am just going to concentrate on the welfare of our falcons. that is all we should be concerned about. that is what we all have in common.

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All of the updates by VWG Gemert and the translations posted here are very much appreciated. :girlyes:


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S2, rebellious? No way. :sunno: Hang in there S2 and be a good girl. We are waiting for your safe return.


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