CATHEDRAL OF LEARNING~January 1 - May 31, 2015

catwoman · **Posted:** Tue May 26, 2015 6:15 pm

He seems to have a problem with at least the right leg. He was trying to stand up to eat & didn't seem to be able to get that leg to do what he wanted. Don't know if it was like that before or whether it happened because of his recent traumas. :eggsad:

Carolyn · **Posted:** Tue May 26, 2015 6:22 pm

catwoman wrote:

He seems to have a problem with at least the right leg. He was trying to stand up to eat & didn't seem to be able to get that leg to do what he wanted. Don't know if it was like that before or whether it happened because of his recent traumas. :eggsad:

I'm inclined to agree with you catwoman. :eggsad:

skygirlblue · **Joined:** Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:18 pm **Posts:** 64781

me too...it wouldn't surprise me if it was injured during that long period when he was on his back...kicking and being smushed...

Lorgayle · **Joined:** Tue Sep 01, 2009 1:17 pm **Posts:** 116

When I went out tonight she was on her back, again. I'm home, and so very happy to see she is right side up.

NOTE: I don't know if she's a she, or if he's a he, but I don't want to say "it", and I don't want to keep saying He/She, so I'll go with one or the other... :)

catwoman · **Posted:** Tue May 26, 2015 9:51 pm

Lorgayle wrote:

When I went out tonight she was on her back, again. I'm home, and so very happy to see she is right side up.

NOTE: I don't know if she's a she, or if he's a he, but I don't want to say "it", and I don't want to keep saying He/She, so I'll go with one or the other... :)

I know what you mean,Lorgayle. It just doesn't seem right to call this sweet little thing "it"! I'm calling the baby him, but as big as he's getting, he's probably a "she"! :clap:

Was afraid I'd find him on his back when I got back home, but he's still up. :eggup:

He appears to be preening. I think its at about this point that his "baby" feathers start itching. That probably also contributes to his falling over.

bev. · **Posted:** Tue May 26, 2015 10:31 pm

catwoman wrote:

He seems to have a problem with at least the right leg. He was trying to stand up to eat & didn't seem to be able to get that leg to do what he wanted. Don't know if it was like that before or whether it happened because of his recent traumas. :eggsad:

he had no leg problems before the last couple of days. I will try and dig out my video o f him walking. I think her lying on him while he was on his back and scootching him may have done something but i am hoping it just needs strength

bev. · **Posted:** Tue May 26, 2015 10:35 pm

I took 4 hours to go an monitor Edmonton sites and am feeling more me again. I am rooting and praying for this little big one He deserves the best. He has been through enough already. I have given up on authorities. not worth my time. And I will concentrate all my positive energy on this chick.

I am so happy she is up.Please stay up now. Stay away from middle and mom

Kris G. · **Posted:** Tue May 26, 2015 10:44 pm

bev. wrote:

I took 4 hours to go an monitor Edmonton sites and am feeling more me again. I am rooting and praying for this little big one He deserves the best. He has been through enough already. I have given up on authorities. not worth my time. And I will concentrate all my positive energy on this chick.

I am so happy she is up.Please stay up now. Stay away from middle and mom

i asked on Twitter what day baby will be checked:

"scheduled for this week. Exact day/time is private because of space restraints at the site. Sorry. Sit tight!"

This was after I deleted my question when I thought they wouldn't answer.

:imbored:

skygirlblue · **Joined:** Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:18 pm **Posts:** 64781

"Private"???!!!

To me that means either they don't know or they don't want the public to know in case people show up..

bev. · **Posted:** Tue May 26, 2015 10:57 pm

Kris G. wrote:

bev. wrote:

I took 4 hours to go an monitor Edmonton sites and am feeling more me again. I am rooting and praying for this little big one He deserves the best. He has been through enough already. I have given up on authorities. not worth my time. And I will concentrate all my positive energy on this chick.

I am so happy she is up.Please stay up now. Stay away from middle and mom

i asked on Twitter what day baby will be checked:

"scheduled for this week. Exact day/time is private because of space restraints at the site. Sorry. Sit tight!"

This was after I deleted my question when I thought they wouldn't answer.

:imbored:

they would say this because they want to limit who goes to banding. But they have all the control so being secretive is just their way of not letting us know anything. Surely they will just have who is necessary there. But for htem, it is sometimes a way to get money. by this I mean, let sponsors come and watch and they continue to sponsor . but in this case it should be
closed

bev. · **Posted:** Tue May 26, 2015 11:01 pm

I was coming here to apologize for being so emotional last few days. I have poured myself into this site since Baby hatched. I wanted so much fo r this pair and baby.
I was upset by some comments on FB that insinuated that we were just teetotalers who sat on our rocking chairs and watched occasionally . And know nothing.
I was upset by lack of compasssion. I was upset by their comments about Dorothy, who has given this site so much.

but I am redirecting that energy to positive thoughts. I think it will go much further. ( and still shame on them)

skygirlblue · **Joined:** Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:18 pm **Posts:** 64781

Bev...there is absolutely no reason to apologize...we have all been very emotional about this situation.

My latest rant on the BCAW FB page...

ya know...if this chick were found on the ground...or, lets say it was an adult falcon, what would happen? yep, somebody would be called, it would be rescued, taken to the vet or rehab facility and assessed. When was the last time you read about a downed adult raptor or eagle/owl/hawk/ chick that fell out of the nest and just left where it fell. NEVER..Why can't this chick get that same respect!! Yep, I know I'm preaching to the choir....I can't say this on the Pitt Falconut or Pitt Peregrine FB page because it would be deleted...though, I am tempted..

I'm debating whether to post it on the Pittsburgh falconuts FB page and then keeping time to see how long before it is deleted...hahahahahahaha

Sally · **Posted:** Tue May 26, 2015 11:11 pm

Their lack of compassion for this baby is unconscionable! I say the same thing as you Bev - shame on them.

:furious:

Yep you nailed it Mary Anne!

Kris G. · **Posted:** Tue May 26, 2015 11:57 pm

skygirlblue wrote:

Bev...there is absolutely no reason to apologize...we have all been very emotional about this situation.

My latest rant on the BCAW FB page...

ya know...if this chick were found on the ground...or, lets say it was an adult falcon, what would happen? yep, somebody would be called, it would be rescued, taken to the vet or rehab facility and assessed. When was the last time you read about a downed adult raptor or eagle/owl/hawk/ chick that fell out of the nest and just left where it fell. NEVER..Why can't this chick get that same respect!! Yep, I know I'm preaching to the choir....I can't say this on the Pitt Falconut or Pitt Peregrine FB page because it would be deleted...though, I am tempted..

I'm debating whether to post it on the Pittsburgh falconuts FB page and then keeping time to see how long before it is deleted...hahahahahahaha

They deleted my "poor baby" comment today..lol!

vlu328 · **Posted:** Wed May 27, 2015 12:00 am

skygirlblue wrote:

Bev...there is absolutely no reason to apologize...we have all been very emotional about this situation.

My latest rant on the BCAW FB page...

ya know...if this chick were found on the ground...or, lets say it was an adult falcon, what would happen? yep, somebody would be called, it would be rescued, taken to the vet or rehab facility and assessed. When was the last time you read about a downed adult raptor or eagle/owl/hawk/ chick that fell out of the nest and just left where it fell. NEVER..Why can't this chick get that same respect!! Yep, I know I'm preaching to the choir....I can't say this on the Pitt Falconut or Pitt Peregrine FB page because it would be deleted...though, I am tempted..

I'm debating whether to post it on the Pittsburgh falconuts FB page and then keeping time to see how long before it is deleted...hahahahahahaha

That's what I have been struggling with -- they say it's not our (meaning humans in general) place to intervene, yet what is Fledge Watch all about? They're being hypocritical.

I briefly thought about joining their Facebook page, but there are too many rules to follow. One mustn't give the eyas a name, one mustn't call the eyas "he" or "she" until the sex is known for certain, one mustn't refer to Dorothy as "Dot" or "Dottie"... and on and on.

Anyway, I see that Dorothy and baby are sleeping peacefully. She is standing next to him (or her) instead of trying to brood. I think that's good, baby has room to stretch and move around.

Munchie1951 · **Joined:** Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:56 pm **Posts:** 177

For anyone that is interested, I have video's of this site over on my YT Channel, too. Dorothy is a good Mom to a chick that is obviously in distress.

As for human intervention, I have to agree w/the Authorities on their decisions. Nature can be cruel at times, and that's exactly what we're experiencing. We have to be thankful that there are Cams for us to view, and if everyone keeps "slamming" the Authorities, they have every right to pull the Cams. I don't blame them one bit if they do. The Cams are there for our enjoyment, and to learn all we can about Peregrine Falcons. Sadly, this also means that we're seeing first hand just how cruel Nature can be. Dorothy is doing everything in her power to take care of her chick to the best of her ability. And whatever Dorothy does, may not be enough. Even with human intervention, I don't think it's gonna be enough. We should all be thankful that we have this Cam, and to learn as much as we can, good or bad.

I know alot of ya'll don't agree with me, and that's ok. Sometimes, you need to just sit back, relax, and let Nature take it's course.

catwoman · **Posted:** Wed May 27, 2015 5:53 am

Thank you for posting your opinion, Munchie, and also for creating your videos & sharing them with us. I agree with much of what you said, but I'm torn between (1) respecting nature & letting nature take its course & (2) having the authorities do what they can to try to give this little one a chance at life. It appears to have the same malady as the baby ostrich that Dash tried so hard to give a chance at life. If it had been rescued to begin with, perhaps it could have been treated, but none of us knows that. At this point, I believe he will be euthanized, so perhaps this is the kinder thing to do, at least giving Dorothy a chance to understand that her last baby isn't going to fledge from the nest & go on to live a happy life. I wouldn't feel this way if I really thought he was suffering, but again, we don't know. I'm going by what I saw when this first happened. He was content to just lay on his back & sleep, but Dorothy was distressed. I'm sure at this point he is very frustrated at not being able to stand, but he also has good times like snuggling with mom. :flirty:

I'm glad that I'm not the one who has to make the decision, because it certainly wouldn't be easy for me (unless there was suffering involved). At this point I'm just glad he has a few more days to enjoy being with mom & Dorothy has a few more days of loving her last baby. :girlsad3:

bonbon · **Joined:** Thu May 21, 2015 8:04 pm **Posts:** 2210

6:00am - Good Morning... The little one is hanging in there.

catwoman · **Posted:** Wed May 27, 2015 6:08 am

Oh my, Bonbon. Glad you posted cause my livestream still showed Dorothy & baby snuggled up sleeping. Guess cam froze! Now its breakfast time! :clap:

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