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 Post subject: Re: HARRISBURG, JANUARY-APRIL 2022
PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2022 5:03 pm 
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:taz: Please see my comment previous page on intruder/s. At least 2 falcons are here right now!


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 Post subject: Re: HARRISBURG, JANUARY-APRIL 2022
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SWINWK wrote:
:taz: Please see my comment previous page on intruder/s. At least 2 falcons are here right now!
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:taz: Saw on the blog there is a female intruder here and possibly a male. I saw someone fly off the point awhile ago as I came in, but didn't see enough to tell who it was. Am right in the middle of cooking and had to walk away to tend to it. From my kitchen I could hear 2 falcons talking to each other for an extended period, so it had to be 1 male and 1 female, just don't know if it was 85 or not. They had said they are making multiple trips to the nest, so possibly will be back. Really hate this, but not an unusual turn of events. Very concerned for the fledglings and 85.


Decided just to bring all my comments together and to add what I posted on breaking news in case anyone can ID this female:

"Wanted to add a very reliable source got the following band #'s, Black/Green 09/BS. There is only a female intruder here, no male. Source said she is not in the midwest falcon database and she still has some brown on the top of her head. 85 has been bonding with her..."

:15heartbeat: So, don't have to worry about 85, but don't want this female to interfere with the fledglings nor try to run them off or cause harm in any way to them. 85 should continue to bring prey for them, just as Lil Dad did for his 2 boys when Niecey arrived on scene in 2012.

At around 6-ish, I saw 85 go into the nest and she followed. In this lighting, I did not see any brown on top of her head, but did see some whitish streaks on the back of her head/neck area reminding me of Maltese's brownish streaks. Also, I noticed this female has a white crop/chest without any speckling. They were bonding.

6:24: Female currently in the nest talking. She was in there a few minutes, then to the bad window talking. Then about the ledge talking at intervals.


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 Post subject: Re: HARRISBURG, JANUARY-APRIL 2022
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There is a downside to repopulation of peregrines, and that is disruption seen in many of these nests including this one. I think we are in for the nests being populated for a short period of time, until the peregrines at the nest reach a time when they can no longer hold on to the nests. Good news and bad news! Wonder who's keeping an eye on the situation. It seems to me to be the time to start populating the mountains and rural areas which VA started to do about 10 years ago. They were too early, but it seems to me to be the time.

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 Post subject: Re: HARRISBURG, JANUARY-APRIL 2022
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:15heartbeat: This is the 2nd of the nests I follow it has happened to this season and I don't follow that many. Of course with Niecey being gone and unable to return at least for the time being, it has left the door wide open here.

I thought I heard her again a few minutes ago, but was unable to come to my pc to see what was going on. She has a knack for coming in when I can't...


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 Post subject: Re: HARRISBURG, JANUARY-APRIL 2022
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Hi Swinwk, thanks for consolidating all of your posts. Paints a sad picture, unfortunately. I started watching falcon cams in 2008. San Jose, De Mortel, Harrisburg, and Columbus. I admired Mom at Harrisburg, she was such a good mother and kept Lil' Dad trained, for sure, so I joined fledge watch in 2009, (just watched mostly) but did see a fledge and rescue and got to meet all of the beautiful people in Harrisburg that watched after the falcons. What a pleasure to get to know them. Best people ever.

I found myself more attached to NG a couple of years later. She was definitely not in control and I was so glad for the excellent training that Lil' Dad had received. They were hilarious together. I would laugh again and again at their antics. Yes, I remember the heads. :shock

Wasn't too glad to see Niecey and really not totally sure that the juvies had made it ok, but Lil' Dad always loved his babies, so I hope so. Nevertheless, I came to love Niecey too, something I have not been able to do at other nests. Losing Clara in San Jose was a blow I couldn't get over, and S2 and Pa at De Mortel, and of course Durand's nest was destroyed in Columbus and no live cam to watch at the new nest. I was hoping they would commit to a cam there. It's almost made me quit watching all together. I just get too attached to them and all animals.

I was so hoping that Niecey would have a full recovery, and quickly, but doesn't look like that is going to happen. She has been a good mom and perfect mate for Lil' Dad after all of his loses. Plus she was always there on his returns from vacation. It's like she 'got him' from the start.
Never got to know the new guy as I had a hard time accepting the loss of Lil' Dad.
I admire those who watch the cams and accept the new falcons, continue to follow and post about the nests, and the pictures and videos of course, but especially those who participate in 'falcon watch' year after year. Many falcons are still alive today because of their efforts.

I think that I mentioned that I have not been well, so hope for better days ahead and who knows, back to watching falcon cams full time again. I still check in on cams sometimes, I just can't help myself, but I don't want to get attached again.


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 Post subject: Re: HARRISBURG, JANUARY-APRIL 2022
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:7val: Oh gosh ljames, I loved New Girl too and only knew her 4-5 weeks, but indeed without a doubt she is the reason I am here today. I was devastated at her loss and so thankful for Lil Dad who finished raising those boys.

Back then, I knew nothing about peregrines and that may have been a blessing too. Heck I was trying to find out who that big bird was standing at my feeder and somehow my internet search eventually lead me right to a screen showing none other than New Girl feeding her babies! And that bird standing by my feeder happened to be a Peregrine Falcon. No telling what all went over my head back then, I was operating on pure emotion. And don't get me started about Durand at Columbus.

And now we have the worry of Niecey. She definitely has a very significant injury...and while I don't look for her to be able to come back here, I do hope that she can heal and be comfortable.

And I do hope that you can be well and join us full time again. We really miss you, ljames!


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Thanks for the coverage here, everyone.

Such a very unfortunate turn of events with this new female coming in. The band number is obviously not in the Data base..and we have very limited band numbers here...but, we do have some b/g ??/BS recorded from 2019 and 2020...all from states that rarely submit to the data base: PA, MASS, NJ. (I should have written this down). I'm sure that the PA people will ID this female.

More importantly, will 85 step up to the plate with his kids. I think we all know what Lil' DAd would be doing regarding this situation.


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:15heartbeat: The female is on the point right now.


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 Post subject: Re: HARRISBURG, JANUARY-APRIL 2022
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She stayed quite awhile, then left. Always very chatty and I thought I could hear him at times, but never saw him. A little later he showed up, then her and they were chatty. She went in the nest, but he remained just outside peeking in. He flew in time, then her. Wonder if the juvies will move further out to avoid her or if she has or will run them off. It could make the watch groups job impossible. He's worrying himself with her, hope he continues to provide for his juvies as Lil Dad did.


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 Post subject: Re: HARRISBURG, JANUARY-APRIL 2022
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He's back and talking and I can hear, but not see her. Will not be posting all of their visits. It's obvious they are in to this hot and heavy...


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 Post subject: Re: HARRISBURG, JANUARY-APRIL 2022
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She spends a lot of time in front of the windows looking and talking when she is alone. Wonder if where she is from, she didn't have access to them or if this is just a quirk of hers?


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 Post subject: Re: HARRISBURG, JANUARY-APRIL 2022
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Unfortunately , I cannot get cams here , for last year and a half.
But, I try and follow.
I have watched since mom. I have 3 glasses a follower
Hand painted , of her. I have loved NG , and Niecey and loved little dad. But when you have followed for so long, you know , change will happen. A lot of us have experienced this at our sites. I never had time to grieve because when monitoring from cam and ground at my sites, you have keep the present in focus.
So 85 is a great provider and mate. No one falcon is the same. From what I hear, he is doing a great job providing for the juveniles. I am sure he knows Niecey, is not here,
It was inevitable that a new female would come to site. She is just doing what falcons do. When we lost our female at Genesee this year, a new one was there the next day.
Hopefully boots on ground can just focus in on juveniles. Nothing else is relevant right now. We really do not know what little dad would do, but this male is providing .
Female wants her attention also, and may not be accepting of these young juveniles . So it will be a fingers crossed situation. 85, also has to maintain site. A huge job for him. Confusing time for sure.
I hope Niecey makes a good recovery. But I also hope they do not rush recovery, because she had a huge task ahead of her, if returned to site in near future.

As always, hats off to Jane and other boots on ground. Looking forward to a report when you have time. Stay safe young ones

I will be working to figure out why I cannot get cam, so I can follow once again.

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 Post subject: Re: HARRISBURG, JANUARY-APRIL 2022
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Bev...I can't get the cams, either...

Recent update from Falconwire...and just praying for a more positive outcome than what I am reading.

Female has been identified.

    6/6/2022 :: A Significant Change

    Friday, after the fledgling Red was released and after some short flights, Red was again observed in the vicinity of the Rachel Carson State Office Building (RCSOB). The two remaining juveniles were further developing their flight abilities.

    But over the course of this past weekend, a landmark change occurred.

    The normal post-fledge activities, such as mid-air food transfers and developing hunting skills have now come to a halt with the arrival of a new, adult female falcon. Banded 09/BS in Reading, this falcon is claiming the RCSOB ledge and has chased the juveniles away. This behavior is not without precedent among falcons. When 48/AE arrived in Harrisburg, she attacked the two fledglings of that year. Both were far enough along in flight and hunting skills to disperse from the area. This year's fledglings are not as far along and have attempted to return to the area without success. Yellow was located but a rescue attempt failed. It is likely these three juveniles will not be seen around the RCSOB again.

    This will also impact the former dominant female 48/AE, who was injured and is still at Red Creek Wildlife Center recuperating. She will not be able to return to the downtown Harrisburg area with the presence of 09/BS therefore, at this time, her future is uncertain.

    This is certainly not how the 2022 Falcon Watch and Rescue was expected to play out. Even with this challenging outcome, the Falcon Watch and Rescue volunteers deserve a giant thank you for their much-needed assistance during this transitional year!


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SGB, you put into words the way I was feeling about Niecey going back to Rachel Carson with her granddaughter there!

How many young falcons owe their lives to those caring people who go out every year to rescue them? Many, including some we watch on cams or pictures. Niecey herself may owe her life to an observant Falcon Watch volunteer who noticed that she was wounded.

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I read last night on the blog they suspected this female was from Reading and if she is that female they had in mind, they had said she would be the granddaughter of Lil Dad and Mom.

This is terrible news. I'm going to walk away for a few minutes, but as Yellow had shown great flight skills with soaring, landings, food transfers, then I am wondering why he would need a rescue unless injured maybe by her or an attempt to get away from her...

Edited to show correction: I changed the above to show Mom to be the grandmother rather than Niecey. Mom was the resident female here from years past. Niecey still has some relation to this female from Reading however, as Mom's brother was Niecey's Dad. And yes that is why they named her Niecey as her aunt was Mom. Mom and Lil Dad were the most celebrated falcon pairing to reside at this nest site.


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Bev...I can't get the cams, either...

Recent update from Falconwire...and just praying for a more positive outcome than what I am reading.

Female has been identified.

    6/6/2022 :: A Significant Change

    Friday, after the fledgling Red was released and after some short flights, Red was again observed in the vicinity of the Rachel Carson State Office Building (RCSOB). The two remaining juveniles were further developing their flight abilities.

    But over the course of this past weekend, a landmark change occurred.

    The normal post-fledge activities, such as mid-air food transfers and developing hunting skills have now come to a halt with the arrival of a new, adult female falcon. Banded 09/BS in Reading, this falcon is claiming the RCSOB ledge and has chased the juveniles away. This behavior is not without precedent among falcons. When 48/AE arrived in Harrisburg, she attacked the two fledglings of that year. Both were far enough along in flight and hunting skills to disperse from the area. This year's fledglings are not as far along and have attempted to return to the area without success. Yellow was located but a rescue attempt failed. It is likely these three juveniles will not be seen around the RCSOB again.

    This will also impact the former dominant female 48/AE, who was injured and is still at Red Creek Wildlife Center recuperating. She will not be able to return to the downtown Harrisburg area with the presence of 09/BS therefore, at this time, her future is uncertain.

    This is certainly not how the 2022 Falcon Watch and Rescue was expected to play out. Even with this challenging outcome, the Falcon Watch and Rescue volunteers deserve a giant thank you for their much-needed assistance during this transitional year!


I suspected this would happen. but did not want to state what I could not see. Adult females that come in at this late day, do not want juveniles in their area. Mark Nash noted this a few years back at a site in Toronto. let us hope they will survive and 85 can feed them further away. he will not desert them.
does this mean they will not watch from ground any more, in case there are mishaps. I wonder. maybe Jane can enlighten us. I am sure this is very upsetting for her and the others.
Kathy let me know who they suspected this new female may be, in a pm, but I did not want to post till they were sure.
this is year is certainly not a happy one at most sites, and I know mine are going to have consequences also.

will send positive vibes here, and hope for the best. As hard as it is , this is falcon life. imagine what we do not see.

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New female 09/BS

The new female enters the nest.

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Thanks, Terka! She really works those windows...


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(Wish I could get this cam.)

I do not think 85 will desert them, either. I think it will be just a matter of how he can be with the kids and steer them clear of this new female....Yet come back to the ledge for "bonding"...

I know that Falconwire referenced the arrival of Niecey (48/AE)....but I seem to recall a similar situation in Canada..was it Toronto? New Female at post fledge and the resident male was witnessed moving the fledglings slightly out of territory and out of harms way... and it turned out OK..did I dream that?


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